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Re: new levels of crazy
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 7:38 AMWow! That really is a new level of crazy. Love the whole sciency-flavored powdered milk on the telescope thing though...that's some intensely silly technofetishism and wannabe pseudoscience going on *lol* My question is, though, what about people with lactose intolerance? -
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Re: new levels of crazy
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 7:53 AM"My question is, though, what about people with lactose intolerance? "
They should avoid looking at the Milky Way. -
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Re: new levels of crazy
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 10:42 AM:-) They'll be here all week, folks... Don't forget to tip your waitress.
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Re: new levels of crazy
Tue, October 27, 2009 - 5:52 AM>Love the whole sciency-flavored powdered milk on the telescope thing <
Kind of a Steampunk Homeopathy.
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Re: new levels of crazy
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 12:42 PMHoly shit, that's nuts. -
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Re: new levels of crazy
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 1:49 PMi love the word "provers."
has anyone heard this before used by the soft-headed ones? -
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Re: new levels of crazy
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 1:54 PM"The trituration process began with lots of giggling and silliness; and throughout there was talk of getting high, stories about getting high. Senses were distorted. One prover kept seeing smoke rise from the milk sugar as she ground and scraped.
“Drugs come into the mainstream… truckers used speed to stay awake. Ecstasy was first used for marriage counseling.”
“I’m feeling really high… spacey.”
Provers were laughing until the tears came. “You guys are ripped.” “I feel like I smoked.” “Sound is distorted as if I’m high…” “Do you remember the first time you smoked?”"
"One prover jotted down chords on a piece of paper. There was a long conversation in which provers named their 5 favorite Beatle songs of all time. One prover told a story of a man with severe short term memory loss; the only things he could recall were “music and love.”
Provers were humming and singing “stand by me, “dust in the wind, “when the night has come.” "
"One prover made a drawing on his notepad - it started out as a drawing of one of the other provers but then he added horns and a beard. It looked like Pan, or a satyr."
"One prover demonstrated a seductive way of eating a sandwich: “if I could get food that way I would never be hungry…”
Provers were very thirsty, drank a great deal of water."
"One prover made a list of dates going back 10 years and wanted a major historical event named for each year.
There was a long discussion about 1969, Woodstock, Chappaquidick, the moon landing, and also about time speeding up and slowing down. “ Funny how time gets so blurry no matter how much we try to define it.” “no matter how old we are we perceive ourselves as young and in the moment. Discussion of “My stroke of Insight,” the memoir of the stroke survivor who is also a neuroscientist.
Provers recalled incidents when time had slowed way down, such as an accident was happening. “ Life and death moments go in slow motion.” "
"Toward the end of the trituration, near the 3 hour mark, provers’ energy flagged and they described feeling “lost and confused…over time it begins to piss you off, not being able to fully participate in life, what is happening … I will just check out.”
“I feel exhausted and a little drained.. .. At first there as definitely a physical / mental high, then I felt really out of it and now tired.”
“I feel tired as well as airy, light‐headed… Interested as to what purpose this serves.” "
"The female provers especially experienced a great deal of itchines"
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Re: new levels of crazy
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 1:56 PMwhat is it about jill bolte taylor that crazy people seem to love so much? i watched her talk on ted and it didn't seem to suggest anything like the crazy stuff people have been taking out of her work. -
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Re: new levels of crazy
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 3:17 PMMatthew - I agree about Jill Bolte Taylor, though she does lay the ground for the crazies to sow their seeds in with her (fascinating) account of her stroke experience. It's a while since I've watched her Ted talk but it's the left/right brain stuff that people seem to hang their ideas on (building on the left vs right/analytical vs creative dichotomy that seems rather unsophisticated for a neuroanatomist).
And articles like this in the Fashion and Style section of the NYT and people like Oprah with a "spiritual" bent promoting her...
A Stroke Leads a Brain Scientist to a New Spirituality - NYTimes.com
www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25...5brain.html
Her specialty as a neuroanatomist is in dissecting the brains of dead people to study schizophrenia and not the function of living brains. One can see how she may be biased towards physically compartmentalizing the brain and, since it took her 8 years to recover from the stroke, how she may need some cash and not be up on the latest neuroscience. She seems very genuine but there are certainly some influences on her perspective that are personal and not scientific.
drjilltaylor.com/about.html
"It took eight years for Dr. Jill to completely recover all of her functions and thinking ability. She is the author of the New York Times bestselling memoir My Stroke of Insight: A Brain Scientist's Personal Journey (published in 2008 by Viking Penguin) and was chosen as one of TIME Magazine's 100 Most Influential People in the World for 2008. In addition, Dr. Jill was the premiere guest on Oprah's Soul Series webcast and her interview with Oprah and Dr. Oz on the Oprah Winfrey Show was aired on Tuesday, October 21, 2008."
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Re: new levels of crazy
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 6:04 PMheh, i've felt that too. i won't say how.
"She could see that the atoms and molecules making up her body blended with the space around her; the whole world and the creatures in it were all part of the same magnificent field of shimmering energy." -
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Re: new levels of crazy
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 6:35 PMheh, I think I might be able to guess.... ;-)
Meditating can create some pretty fun experiences too, including the experience of being limitless and "one with all" - it can be fun to explore within one's own brain...but, for me at least, it's way more fun also knowing that the feeling of being limitless and one with all is related to how the brain deals with locating the body in space. I'm all for feeling bliss and blissful experiences but it's pretty clear that even she values having both sides of her brain functioning and, since she's essentially extrapolating from a subjective experience, it's less science and more personal narrative (from my perspective). Who knows what kinds of personal narratives and needs for control that her experience caused her to change - a stroke and then 8 years of rehab is a pretty large personal challenge that would change all kinds of beliefs and attitudes towards one's life and self. And, if she didn't have the capacity to understand and be analytical about her experience as it was happening, she wouldn't be here today one can presume. -
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Re: new levels of crazy
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 6:50 PMyeah, my guess is she doesn't quite believe what she's allowing herself to be interpreted as believing. which is alright for her if it's making her famous and earning her money i guess. i mean she went into neuroscience because her schizophrenic brother thought that he had a direct line to jesus, so an anatomical basis for religious experience is presumably something she's used to analyzing from a skeptical perspective.
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