barbara ehrenreich on the cult of positive thinking

topic posted Thu, October 15, 2009 - 7:20 AM by  automatthew
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  • Me too and I'm looking forward to reading her book. I found her insight regarding the deficit in empathy and compassion to be spot on.
    • The lack of empathy and compassion is one of the things I find most offensive about the whole "positive thinking/new age karma" thing since it's often preached by people who consider themselves "spiritual" or "lightworkers" or somehow more evolved and compassionate than others when they're really just practicing a narcissistic form of denial regarding suffering. One can see why it's so attractive to the wealthy and powerful since it confirms to them they're "good" people even if they've attained their power through exploitation and creating suffering for others. And one can see why it's sold to poor people (just as one can see the utility karma had for maintaining hierarchal and very unequal caste/class societies) but it's always amazed me that poor people buy into it.
      • Fifi,

        >One can see why it's so attractive to the wealthy and powerful since it confirms to them they're "good" people even if they've attained their >power through exploitation and creating suffering for others. And one can see why it's sold to poor people (just as one can see the utility >karma had for maintaining hierarchal and very unequal caste/class societies) but it's always amazed me that poor people buy into it.

        This is an age-old and very difficult issue. When you allow nature to take its course, people will sort themselves into weak and strong, or haves and have-nots. On one hand, this offends our sensibilities of social justice, because no one should starve while someone near them has an excess they cannot use. On the other hand, the possibility of attaining wealth and status is the lure that leads entrepreneurs to risk everything they own and hold dear for their vision. Overall, this leads to greater productivity, and this benefits everyone in the society, from poorest to richest.

        Historically, the opportuntiy for personal gain has led to a tremendous elevation in the standard of living for humanity. In our own society, while there is a huge gap between the rich and the poor, even the poor don't starve to death, as they have in most of recorded history. Thus, there is a dilemma here. Enforced egalitarianism produces widely shared misery. Freewheeling capitalism produces a huge gap between rich and poor. Take your pick.

        I grew up in the communist Soviet Union, where everyone was equal (except Jews, homosexuals, and anyone who questioned the grandeur of the communist ideal), but life sucked for everyone (except those who were politically powerful and could get Western stuff). I'd rather not go back there. I vote for the free market (with policing against fraud and extortion) and hope for the best.

        You know... this discussion is probably not appropriate for "Skeptic Talk". Want to take it private? Or to a tribe more appropriate for this?

        On the main point of your post, I wholeheartedly agree. "Positive thinking" often seems to equate to the notion that everything is just as it should be. Beyond the obvious Panglossian [if anyone reading this does not know what that means, it's worth Googling] parody, this seems to absolve the haves from responsibility for the rest of the world, and may keep us all from striving to achieve something better... except for those whose inner Eeoyre is inclined to a negative and hopeless worldview in the first place.
        • Grisha - It's always a pleasure to discuss things with you and I'd be interested in your perspective wherever you'd like to share it and discuss the topic (or topics!) Name the place but until then... :-) I'll just say that I work from a "different but equal" perspective and I don't presume to have an ideological political solution because my perspective is that ideologies always fail simply because everything's good on paper but usually they don't take human nature into account. (And, well, the Soviet Union wasn't really ever equal, was it? ...Stalin was more of a fascist than a communist, or so it seems to me. The politically powerful also had more material goods, country houses, etc so it was not so much communism but another version of feudalism or fascism...kind of like the US has become a corporate feudalism.). I can understand your issues with communism but as someone who grew up in capitalist countries I've seen what "free market' ideology has wrought and it's very, very ugly and only ends up with "freedom" for the rich. I can understand your personal feelings about what you prefer but I think that ultimately just comparing old ideologies isn't the constructive way forward. What is constructive is getting beyond ideologies to understand how best we can live on this planet and share finite resources. (Free market ideologies are based upon a belief in infinite growth that's just not realistic now that there are no "new" lands to expand into.)


          There's a very fine line between denial and positive thinking. In the US, particularly over the last decade and in new age and self help circles, it seems to be simply a form of denial. Nothing wrong with being optimistic, of course, but not if you need to sacrifice realism to do so because then it's delusional and, in many ways, is actually really negative or pessimistic since it ISN'T optimistic about reality but is choosing escape into fantasy. TV and advertising has a lot to do with creating certain illusions regarding happiness and reality as well. All in all, I personally see someone who can be realistic and still hopeful as much more positive than someone who needs to deny reality to be "positive".
          • Grisha - We can move the conversation to Brain Geeks if you like - it's sort of off topic but I think some of the people there may also find this an interesting conversation.
            • thanks about the link fifi. unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any other way to get a better link directly to the clip. you should probably be able to find it by looking through the site.
              • This link should work for people in the US (Canadians need to go to The Comedy Network to look at it)...

                www.barbaraehrenreich.com/brigh...rviews
                • A good quote from an infamous skeptic about Bright Sided...

                  "The self-esteem/positive thinking/self-help movement has turned out to be one grand failed experiment in psychology. You can't just tell people (or yourself) that they/you are esteemed, accomplished, and happy. You actually have to do something to earn the respect of others and yourself, and in the real world the doing also involves failure. In this hard-hitting but honest appraisal, America’s cultural skeptic Barbara Ehrenreich turns her focus on the muddled American phenomenon of positive thinking. She exposes the pseudoscience and pseudointellectual foundation of the positive-thinking movement for what it is: a house of cards. This is a mind-opening read."
                  —Michael Shermer, author of Why People Believe Weird Things: Pseudoscience, Superstition, and Other Confusions of Our Time

                  I think Shermer touches on a very important truth here about failure. Learning involves failure as well as success and if we're unwilling to fail we'll never learn anything. I've found that failure can actual lead to learning even more than we set out to learn and more meaningful and lasting achievement. There's something incredibly infantile about the whole "positive thinking" thing (and it's more than a little sad that people aim to be so incredibly one dimensional and want such one dimensional lives).
  • link broken... please advise
    • Grisha - You can probably find the Daily Show clip at Comedy Central's site.

      Here's a link to Barbara's blog which I just discovered. Barbara wrote Bright Sided after having breast cancer. I have no idea if she actually digs around and finds some of the intensely commercial/profit-driven roots of the "positive thinking" meme regarding breast cancer - the supplement industry has aggressively propagandized in this area but Oprah favorite Dr Northrup also promotes the idea that women get breast cancer because they're not nurturing or have some kind of emotional issue around mothering enough. This is all built upon the Louise Hayes "sounds like..." theory of new age "medicine" (blaming the victim isn't promoting self-responsibility). One of the things that makes women such a soft target for this kind of propaganda is the fact that medicine did very much the same thing to women for a long time and still is only really starting to recognize that symptoms women that are different from men aren't "just in their head" or a result of "hysteria" (that term itself being indicative of how being female has historically been pathologised). Of course, all the new agers (and people who have adopted these new age ideas without realizing their source) are doing EXACTLY what "patriarchal medicine" has always done - blame women for their illness and tell them it's all in their head.

      ehrenreich.blogs.com/

      And her website...

      www.barbaraehrenreich.com/

      I'm looking forward to reading the book and it was entirely refreshing hearing a woman speak up about the oppressive "be positive" bullshit around cancer and specifically women's health. (Which is really just an update on the "women must always be pleasing" crap.) The ideologues in academic Feminism who rejected science wholesale because neurobiology exploded some of their pet theories - though it in no way actually undermines feminism or the struggle for equality, in fact it really informs it in many ways if you're not reactionary - have really done women and feminism a disservice. Er, end rant... ;-) Oh, yeah, Bright Sided seems to be a bit more of a general perspective on "positive thinking' in American culture. I'm looking forward to reading it to see exactly what it's all about.